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Finally the Inhereht Racism in the Tea Party Becomes Defined in Idealogy

Seeded on Thu May 20, 2010 5:21 PM EDT
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I'll take Rand Paul at his word. He's opposed to racial discrimination.

However, he obviously supports allowing businesses to engage in racial discrimination without impunity. Evidently, if the government says it's against the law to run a whites-only business, this is a bridge too far for Rand Paul.

Libertarianism, which both Ron and Rand Paul famously embrace, suggests the free market is a significant and vital component of liberty. Private businesses are capable of accomplishing everything, and government can't interfere or regulate those businesses in any way. The free market will police itself. Just leave it be.

Private industry can pave roads, educate children, put out fires and protect our streets from drunk drivers. It can shuttle our kids to corporate schools and back, it can provide clean water to our homes and they can guarantee our meat and vegetables aren't contaminated with diseases. And by the way, in a nation that's 70 percent white, private businesses can choose to do all of these things for white people only. Private businesses can provide everything we need, but only offer those services to white people.
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So, in Rand Paul's utopia, not only can Woolworth's prevent black people from sitting at its soda stand if it wants to, but a private, free market corporation can set up shop in a community, buy up any competing corporations and announce that it no longer serves black people or Jewish people or Hispanic people or gay people -- any minority segment of the population.

Or, when public schools are eliminated, a free market education franchise can form a monopoly and ostensibly can choose turn away non-white students, potentially excluding minorities from receiving an education. And all of these businesses are allowed to consolidate with each other, forming larger monopolies, and the ability of the people to effectively fight back simultaneously decreases as unregulated corporation's financial and market power increases.

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We've been taxed before for nearly half a century since it became encoded in the consitution (and even before then). Taxes have at times greater than 70% for the highest bracket and even over 50% during Reagan's time even after a tax cut and then two subsequent hikes. Obama has at this point on net cut more taxes than raised any. Spending accelerated in 2001-2003 even as we fought two wars and turned our surpluses into a deficit. Bailouts started in2008 and more has been retrieved since Obama came in 180billion than issued out.

So how come tea (taxed enough already)? Its simple really:

We see images of black people who are not working getting medical services and unemployment and being responsible for most of the government spending and taxes even if this is far from reality. but that is what we really have a problem with.

Socialism where our money goes to Wall st was not enough to create a tea pary in Sept 2008 but perceived socialism where more health care goes to minorities is a deal breaker.

$1trillion spent on a war over 10 years whose motives were later discredited with not much to gain but lost lives is - oh bad. But chancing $1trillion on insuring 33 million people (ALL MINORITIES PROBABLY) and saving lives in the process that is a deal breaker.

What they are really saying is that you don't like where your tax money is going and who is the overall head deciding where it is going...

We want Medicare and Medicaid and social security and government back stops (we had them for 50 years sans tea party) just not to minorities or with a minority at the charge of it.

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Thu May 20, 2010 5:21 PM EDT
douglasq

Paul uses the hypothetical of a business owner being able to choose who he wishes to sell to because he "owns" the business - not the government. But the minute we accept such discrimination in who a business sells to, we also have to accept similar discrimination in who it hires. And further, it could extend to private health care facilities, private schools, insurance carriers, etc.

Libertarians like the way their ideas sound but I've noticed that they seldom think them through. Either that or they are hoping no one else will.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Thu May 20, 2010 6:43 PM EDT
creed

I don't like Huffington because it's a biased liberal media not to be taken seriously.

I feel the need to defend the journalists, however:

They would never have written the headline for this seed. lol

Reported as mis-categorized of course. Should be an opinion piece.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Thu May 20, 2010 7:06 PM EDT
Arlene Tognetti

I am quoting from the article:

Libertarianism, which both Ron and Rand Paul famously embrace, suggests the free market is a significant and vital component of liberty. Private businesses are capable of accomplishing everything, and government can't interfere or regulate those businesses in any way. The free market will police itself. Just leave it be.

Yes, exactly and when we HAVE let Private Business be, and remember there exceptions ( because I know ALOT of private businesses who are taking good care of their customers

as well as their employees) That being said:

Some Private Businesses have used and abused the system: ie, Goldman Sachs, Merril Lynch, AIG, Country Wide Real Estate, WAMU, Bank of America, and numerous CEO's WHO are allowed to

offshore lots of $$$ and the list goes on. We cannot just let it be.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Thu May 20, 2010 7:40 PM EDT
Arlene Tognetti

and by the way, good find J. Richter!

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Thu May 20, 2010 7:49 PM EDT
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DEBEKI

I think it goes a little deeper than that. In a few years, the whites will be the minority and they hate that fact. They see the beginning of this "fact" in the election of our first Black President (albeit only half black - but it's the beginning of the end in their minds). They feel their power being strip from them little by little and are scared sh1tless because they think what they did to the minorities while they were the majority will come back on them ten fold. Kind of like a Karma moment. It is this fear that is driving the undercurrent of the Tea Party.

  • 12 votes
Reply#2 - Thu May 20, 2010 5:40 PM EDT
dizzy1

You are a Racist!

    #2.1 - Thu May 20, 2010 6:59 PM EDT
    DEBEKI

    dizzy

    Please stop your head from spinning so that "dizziness" stops.

    I'm a Native American Indian - BRING ON the" racist comments" - I've been spit upon and called worse names than "racist". I've lived a life of "racism" against me - You think your ignorant comment bothers me. ROTFLMAO.

    BTW I think you meant to put that comment down on the next comment - and perhaps direct your ire at a true racist - NowSwimBack

    Have a nice day.

    • 11 votes
    #2.2 - Thu May 20, 2010 7:13 PM EDT
    DEBEKI

    Oh and dizzy - you are in direct violation of the COH :o(

    • 7 votes
    #2.3 - Thu May 20, 2010 7:22 PM EDT
    J. Richter

    dizzy1 you are in violation of COH with #2.1. in response to #2. You started this. Your comment will be left as judgement for you and all to see you in blatant violation of a simple rule. You lost all credibility to comment after that.

    • 2 votes
    #2.4 - Fri May 21, 2010 6:57 PM EDT
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    DEBEKI

    Don't believe me - here is a sample of what I'm talking about -

    NowSwimBack

    Yeah - millions more McJobs. Can't support a family and have a good nation on that, and that's why America is in so much debt. We keep feeding the subhuman races and only produce jobs for WalMart and McDonalds. We had much higher paying jobs in the 60s. The "Civil Rights" Act changed all that. Face it - society was much better off before the law. You can't get around that. When the social structure starts to deteriorate, the economy will inevitably follow.

    {"commentId":14290167,"threadId":"879969","contentId":"4315797","authorDomain":"nowswimback"}

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    #65.5 - Thu May 20, 2010 4:29 PM EDT

    I read the above comment here:
    http://politics.newsvine.com/_news/2010/05/20/4315797-paul-admits-political-slip-in-civil-rights-remarks?pc=25&sp=50#discussion

    So am I talking out of my ass or does this - the above comment - tell the whole story of what's going on in this country.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu May 20, 2010 6:54 PM EDT
    dizzy1

    Debeki, I don't believe for a second that you have been spat on for being a native American. Don't try to put on a pity show as to further your ideology. I respect you for what you are, but I am not going to sit by and listen to you attemt to divide peole by throwing out ridiculas shots at T.E.A party people, just because they want the true America back. You can have an opinion , but throwing out the race card is RACIST! You have to stop. It is not getting you any where

      Reply#4 - Thu May 20, 2010 7:56 PM EDT
      DEBEKI

      dizzy

      I will refer to Jon Stewart and his most excellent Choir famously named "The Go F..ck Yourself Choir.

      I would sing a few bars but your ignorant comments prove the song would fly through the wind of your mind.

      You need to stop talking with me - as far as I am concerned - you are nothing more than a troll and an ignorant one at that.

      J. Richter

      If you feel the need to delete my post - go ahead - but dizzy has no right to call me a liar - my life is a FACT and what I went through will not be denigrated or dismiss by this piece of ........ that calls herself dizzy.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu May 20, 2010 8:04 PM EDT
      dizzy1

      The Go F-- ck yourself choir? What makes you think you can throw out that kind of crap without me coming back at you? You say that you have gone through some crap hugh? Try being a white male! I don't need to hear your pity story! I f you were smart, you'd move to a reservation (gated Indian community ) in Florida, Did you you know that the average Native American here receives $ 60,000.00 A year from casino revenues, just for being a native American? You would never have to work a day in your life! You should come to term with the fact that no one is out to get you. And just start acting like a human being, rather than a poor little Indian that everybody(white people) is out to get. It is NOT true.

        Reply#6 - Thu May 20, 2010 8:24 PM EDT
        DEBEKI

        Click ignoring the ignorant

        • 3 votes
        Reply#7 - Thu May 20, 2010 8:28 PM EDT
        dizzy1

        You forgot the peice of ---- part.

        You know Before you threw that out there I was willing to listen openly to you but you had to go and throw that out there. Now all you are to me is another crybaby , who never did anything with her life and sits around angry at the world for all her woes. I will accept an apology for the Peace of-- , and the troll comment. Otherwise all you've accomplished is making me second guess every Native American I come across,thinking that they might be just like you. Kind of like how you've conducted yourself in the comments you have made. Do you see now my initial point? You cannot lump all in one group using the worse of them as an example.

          #7.1 - Thu May 20, 2010 8:37 PM EDT
          J. Richter

          You believe that response is sensible but it is a complete contradiction. You assail lumping together in one group but then you justify doing it yourself as someone making you second guess every Native American. You think you can win by coming up with the most hateful angry, right or smart-sounding in klan gathering responses.

          You contribution on this thread has been full of hatred and seem reflective of a dark and angry heart and I wish you had never stumbled upon this posting with your divisive views. I'm sure you wont see it but you are consuming and focused too much on hatred. Please dont come back.

          • 3 votes
          #7.2 - Fri May 21, 2010 7:02 PM EDT
          DEBEKI

          Thank you J. Richter.

          This would have been a great debate and I appreciate your article for it's open and honest attempt at opening dialogue - I really feel this hatred is much deeper at the root of "whiteness" and I really think the European white people are scare to death that they will be the minority and are doing every thing in their power right now to get laws on the books to keep the soon to be majority from getting any foot hold in helping to form the laws of the land.... Hell, look at how the Republicans are acting - they only prove my point - they are really afraid of the other ethnic groups in this country. SAD isn't it.......

          • 2 votes
          #7.3 - Fri May 21, 2010 10:52 PM EDT
          Steve the Social Experiment

          DEBE - I can empathize. My family had to hide it's roots back in the 20's because of white supremacy groups. Being Native American or any minority back then was dangerous. Intolerance was still running deep when I was in High School. A girl I was seeing at the time had to distance herself from me because her racists parents didn't want their little girl falling in love with a "dirty" race. BTW this is in 1993.

          Now fast forward 20 years. Nothing much has changed, as far as I can see. Sometimes I wish my ancestors were waiting at Plymouth rock with a "No Vacancyy" sign. But only sometimes. Our people, and I mean ALL our people, have such great potential to be so much more than what we are. Hopefully, it won't take thousands of years, before the small minded, ignorant and scared catch up with the rest of us.

          • 2 votes
          #7.4 - Sat May 22, 2010 7:49 AM EDT
          dizzy1

          Please re read my reply. You completely missed the point. As usual, liberal thinking let you see only what you wanted to see. Please re read the comment, and this time read it all the way through.

            #7.5 - Mon May 24, 2010 8:13 PM EDT
            J. Richter

            What point?

            You lost all credibility once you first broke the COH in #2.1

            dizzy1

            You are a Racist!

            #2.1 - Thu May 20, 2010 6:59 PM ED

            What's new? Another "non-liberal" without the personal discipline to keep the rules or accept responsibility.

            • 1 vote
            #7.6 - Tue May 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT
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